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Re: Database Report Generator - beta testers needed

From: D Rolfe <dwrolfeFRUITBAT_at_orindasoft.com>
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:24:38 +0100
Message-ID: <Wj8qc.8099$qP2.16484@news.indigo.ie>


Folks,

There is nothing in Wolfgang's post below that would cause me to change a word of my previous posting. I find it most interesting that while he is prepared to make tasteless jokes about Irish people, Whiskey, "sober"   professionals etc he conveniently forgets to address the serious issue I raised - that scribe is essentially useless because it can only run reports against 1 table. Fixing this will take more than a week, even for someone as brilliant as Alex......

Neither am I impressed with his lecture on the charter of this newsgroup.

The charter for comp.databases.oracle.marketplace says:

 > CHARTER: comp.databases.oracle.marketplace
 >
 > Comp.databases.oracle.marketplace is a news group provided for 
commercially oriented topics of interest to people using Oracle software. This group includes but is not limited to articles covering the following topics:
 >
 >     * jobs available
 >     * positions wanted
 >     * services offered
 >     * software or hardware wanted or available for sale
 >     * books and other literature available
 >     * announcements of new products
 >
 > Posting jobs available to any other comp.databases.oracle newsgroups 
should be avoided.
 > RATIONALE: comp.databases.oracle.marketplace
 >
 > This news group should provide a specific place for those interested
 > in the Oracle-related job market, as well as any other Oracle- 
related > products and services for sale or wanted. Creation of this group will > provide relief to the many readers of the news group who are  > annoyed by the large number of commercial advertisement postings

Gestalt's postings belong in comp.databases.oracle.marketplace because they refer to the promotion of a new product.

We make our commercial postings in c.d.o.m. We'd love to hammer comp.databases.oracle.server with daily postings about how our Java-PL/SQL-JDBC access code generator is the best bar none but we don't. Neither do we send emails 'inviting' people to tell us how it can be improved. Instead we spend lots of time and energy on ethical methods of promotion such as:

All of the above cost us time and/or money. Gestalt's repetetive postings to this newsgroup cost them nothing but neither contain information about oracle server nor seek to solve a specific problem relating to oracle server and therefore do not belong here.

David Rolfe
Orinda Software
www.orindasoft.com

Wolfgang Rochow wrote:

> "D Rolfe" <dwrolfeFRUITBAT_at_orindasoft.com> wrote in message
> news:sAGpc.7922$qP2.16017_at_news.indigo.ie...
>

>>Wolfgang Wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I have had the pleasure of having had Alex as a "partner" for over a

>
> decade
>
>>>and I continually marvel at his brillance. Alex has been a key factor in
>>
>> > [...]
>>
>>
>>>One of my wishes is that someday we may have someone as brilliant as

>
> Alex
>
>>>join us as a "partner" (working shareholder), he is that good.
>>>
>>
>>{Sound Effect : Irish software developer throwing up into his waste
>>paper basket on reading the above at 7am on a Sunday morning}
>>

>
> Your confused. It's the Irish whiskey. Stay away from it, if you can't
> stomach it. ;-)
>
>
>>I promised myself I'd stay out of this, but this is just *too* much!
>>
>> > I have been following this thread with bemusement and
>> > concern. Personally, it is not my style to offend anyone. Alex
>> > simply wants his message to get out, in every way possible.
>> > Obviously, it has offended the sensibilities of some.
>> >
>>
>>If you had actually been following this thread you'd know that the
>>problem was not the content of Alex's message but his chosen means of
>>propagating it. The problem now appears to be that Alex's ego is bruised
>>so he's talked his boss into defending him. Alex is clearly one of those
>>people who simply can not bear to lose an argument, even if it means
>>permanently antagonizing someone. He doesn't seem to have the slightest
>>idea of the harm he is doing to his employer's reputation.
>>

>
>
> Wrong again. First of all, I'm not his boss. We are partners in the truest
> sence of the word. Secondly, he did not come to me. I simply could not take
> the arrogance that is so obvious on both sides.
>
> Besides, Alex can take care of himself. Will it harm our reputation?
> Possibly, certainly in your eyes. But I hope not in the eyes of fair people.
>
> Having read the Charter for comp.databases.oracle.server (here is an
> excerpt):
> "The following list is a sample of topics which are included in this news
> group:
> a.. Oracle database or server installation
> a.. Database creation and development
> a.. Database administration, tuning, monitoring
> a.. Techniques for more efficient access
> a.. Importing and Exporting data
> a.. Tools and applications designed to aid in database administration."
> it appears to me that the objections raised by you and other "regulars" are
> unfounded.
>
> For example, Alex could justifiably talk in this news group about the STEP
> FORWARD tools because they deal with "Database creation and development" or
> Scribe (which handles both database interrogation and database update)
> because it deals with "Importing and Exporting data".
>
> If Alex is guilty of anything, it may be offering a free copy of Scribe in
> return for professional feedback (crass commercialism at its finest). I have
> looked at a number of posts and they essentially state, "Help - can I do
> this or that" and you respond to these requests in a more or less civil
> manner. By contrast, Alex's post states, "Help - this is what I've done, can
> you please check it out and let me know, based on your expertise, if I
> should make changes" and you vilify him for it. It reality the essence of
> both types of posts are identical. Go figure.
>
> Except, perhaps, for the "free copy/compensation thank you", I see nothing
> wrong in Alex's original post.
>
> While I do not expect you to "kiss and make up", I do hope that there are a
> number of "sober" oracle professionals who concur with my assessment of the
> situation and will respond favorably to Alex's request for "Help - this is
> what I've done, can you please check it out and let me know, based on your
> expertise, if I should make changes".
>
> Wolfgang
> contactwolfgang_at_gestalt.com (remove contact to email)
> www.gestalt.com
>
>
>
>>>If I may be so bold, let me suggest that you do not judge Alex until you
>>>have tested his work.
>>>
>>
>>I *HAVE* tested his work. I wanted to validate my theory that competent
>>software developers don't use SPAM. So far the theory holds up! I didn't
>>even get to the installation stage before I came across the following on
>>  your website:
>>
>>http://www.gestalt.com/Scribe/FutureDevelopment.html
>>
>> > Table joins. At the present time, Scribe can only retrieve data from
>> > individual tables and views. A mechanism for graphical joining of
>> > multiple tables in a report process flowchart must be developed; along
>> > with the controls for fine-tuning the join (outer/inner etc.).
>> >
>>
>>Given that competent relational database design tends to involve
>>multiple tables it's extremely hard to see what possible use 'scribe' is
>>or how it could be described as 'beta software'.
>>
>>Anyone who doesn't regard joins as a 'must have' feature in a report
>>generator clearly hasn't paid attention to the marketplace.
>>
>>This failure to implement anything other than the most ludicrously basic
>>functionality would also explain Alex's claim that he only needs a few
>>days to add a new database to his product.
>>
>>There are other things I found out about scribe that I'm not going to
>>tell you because to do so would be to reward Alex for his behavior.
>>Suffice it to say I shall be very surprised if it ever becomes widely
>>known, except in the context of SPAM and internet abuse.
>>
>>David Rolfe
>>

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>
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Received on Mon May 17 2004 - 14:24:38 CDT

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